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"THE SPIRITUAL WATERS Define ~ !" ~ //!! "9 Quinine, 7 bitters Avec lemon." ~ Ruth Draper "Sprinkling Holy Water, chanting prayers, From willow’s bark, Cupola drew sleeping spirits ~

Barking larks, Sparrow’s Song of Vespers, By arrow’s Flight reborn. Folly’s Quill scribbles primrose, Snaring garden path meandering, her gloss ~ Landscape blueprint Flowering Forest’s Marginalia, Her complimentary Commentary … O, but my stomach, My head hurts. My tears sting, I cannot sing. Pain too real. World well real, but, O, World, too, real, no silly reel. Mum, Reel me in …" ~ Twittering "Heck, yeah ~ !" ~ Folly "The ‘waters’ have killed, Tortured too many. Abuse not. People harmed me. That is wrong. Dr P. Your work spoke for me, Shed light upon the cracked fissure Of nothingness, Don’t throw out everything your 35 years Of solid work revealed, Or baby with bathwater. Your work gave me hope, When  I moped, When I broke, Broken, unspoken for ~ Too much bidirectional stress, Too lost in The Disenchanted Forest Moping, no hope … No warm embrace forthcoming, Just a Forest of Rhetoric & Phrontistry of Fonts & Letters, No binding, No chair Just moping, broken unspoken For me, although my words, many spoken, My song, many sung My work for others, I speak for, So SEE ~ ! No token, If totem, broken, moping me proffers, Even though  my coffer’s empty, Even if my coffin’s simply Me, my words for others, I say, so SEE ~ ! No token, if plain spoken, If boldly broadcast. But I’m broken, So hear, O, don’t you know I’m moping, Me, my words for others, I say, so SEE ~ ! O, don’t you hear me hoping, Speaking, of my spoken token, My desire large, my claim, meager, If hopeless I am, I remain yours, Ever eager My tears, My unfailing years, Yours ~ ? Me, my words for others, I say, so SEE ~ ! Swim, swim, paddle, paddle, paddle … Break, broken, breaking ~ Cogito, ergo Quack! Quack! Quack! Me, my words for others, I say, so SEE ~ ! Swim, swim, paddle, paddle, paddle … May my words transport Others across The Shimmering Sea ~ ! May I neuro ~ transport you, too ~ !" ~ Twittering "O, Twittering, a glittering port I see ~ ! O, a shimmering  cohort We be, crossing Together The Shimmering Sea, sporting Gifts of rhyme, the sculpture of thyme ~ ! O, a shimmer, O, a glimmer of Eternity …" ~ Folly * ~ * ~ Blog, I’ll warrant ye, or dog? Who knows. Pass the grog! But if ye see me lost pup, please bring that scurvy dog home! I got Leon a brand-new bone, with a chest full a’ booty. http://journals.aol.com/virginiaz/DreamingofLeonardo

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~ * ~ Shakespeare’s Globe Theatre ~ West Edge Off Center ~ *A Morning Wood Production* ~ Now accepting reservations For the Spring Season ~ "[Neuro] trans [Mission]: Impossible" Just another Opera Verite ~ * Welcome ~ Those ever whacky, unpredictable Singing Stars…* !!The Neurotransmitters!! ~ Do wop, do wop ~ *round of applause* ~ Snip, snip ~ Doncha just love’m? Can’t live without’em! … * Just a few players, Our starting lineup of Stars * … Dopamine Serotonin Norepinephrine Acetycholine Glutamate Gaba ~ * ~ [Neuro] trans [Mission]: Impossible ~ * ~ ~~ Programe, A Notice ~~ Act I. "The Challenge: Crossing the Synaptic Gap" ~ * ~ Act II. [We'll wait & see if Act I gets done!] NB. This tape will self-destruct when done. If you choose to accept this mission, you will receive further directions, As time goes by…* [Foot Note] * Neurons  (nerve cells) are the "brains" of the nervous system. * Neurotransmitters send chemical "messages" between neurons. * Dopamine is a sample neurotransmitter that is         useful in understanding addiction. * Other neurotransmitters can be compared to dopamine. * Drugs interfere with neurotransmitters. A Morning Wood Musical Annunciation Shakespeare’s Globe Theatre ~ West Edge Off Center ~ * Dogging Arts * Fogging Minds * It’s a Star * * ~ * ~

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~ * US Food & Drug Administration * ~ Robert Temple, M.D. Director, Office of Medical Policy Subcommitte on Oversight and Investigations Committee on Energy and Commerce House of Representatives September 23, 2004 Executive Summary Depression in the Pediatric & Adolescent Population "According to a 2000 National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) Fact Sheet on Depression in Children and Adolescents, depression affects up to 2.5 percent of children and about eight percent of adolescents in the United States. These disorders often go unrecognized by families and physicians because behaviors associated with depressive disorders may be seen as normal mood swings typical of a particular developmental stage. In addition, health care providers may be reluctant to prematurely "label" a young person with a mental illness diagnosis. At the February 2, 2004, meeting of FDA’s Psychopharmacologic Drugs Advisory Committee (PDAC), Dr. Cynthia Pfeffer of Cornell University addressed the issue of pediatric depression and its treatment. She noted that pediatric depression is very common and often recurrent, is often accompanied by very poor psychosocial outcomes for children and adolescents, and is associated with high risk for suicide and substance abuse. She reported that in 2001, about 1,600 15 to 19-year-olds committed suicide in the U.S. Suicide is the third leading cause of death in the U.S. in this age group and accounts for more deaths in this age group than all other major physical conditions combined. At that meeting, Dr. David Shaffer of Colombia University reported on rates of suicidal ideation (thinking about suicide) and suicide attempts. He obtained his information from large community studies, particularly the Youth Risk Behavior Study (YRBS), a study carried out by the National Center for Health Statistics. In this study, officials from the National Center interviewed a broad population of between 15,000 and 20,000 high school students every two years using self-reporting measures. Based on this data, it was determined that suicidal ideation in high school students is extraordinarily common. Almost 20 percent of American high school students think about suicide. Suicide attempts are also very common. Experts report that the overall rate is about nine percent. Only about a quarter of these attempts are brought to medical attention. It is widely recognized that adolescents are frequently reluctant to disclose suicidal thoughts or even suicide attempts to parents or others. There are about 4,000 female suicide attempts for every female suicide death, and about 400 male attempts for every male death. Dr. Shaffer also showed rates of pediatric suicide over several decades. The rate has fallen by about 25 percent over the last decade, the period in which the use of anti-depressants has grown steadily. This association does not prove that the increasing use of anti-depressants is the cause of the decline in suicide, but it is at least suggestive." http://www.fda.gov/ola/2004/antidepressant0923.html  "Heck, yeah ~ ! But don’t forget the Elderly, too, Our respected Highly Esteemed Forebears." ~ Folly "Heck, yeah ~ ! The Eldery need more remmembering Now than anyone, Except The Poor, The Marginal, The Disenfranchised, All The Ones Without Voice Or too often … Choice Option Or anything or anyone at all Et al." ~ Twittering

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"Dr. Cynthia Pfeffer, professor of psychiatry, has been named recipient of the 2005 Distinguished Investigator Award by the National Alliance for Research on Schizophrenia and Depression (NARSAD). The highly prestigious and competitive award offers up to $100,000 for one year to an investigator conducting neurobiological research. Dr. John Fossella, assistant professor of molecular biology in psychiatry, is co-investigator of the study, entitled ~ "Parental Death and a Polymorphism of the Serotonin Transporter Gene As Risk Factors for Childhood Anxiety and Depression." "Have a good year, P ~ ! Have a good life. Perhaps, in the next one, Our paths cross … I did my best to find you, And I did." ~ Twittering

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"If you ask, if you must really know, Nathan told me, Nathan told me So, so it must be true, too, Nathan says … Mouse scampered up Maltese Lane Down That ~ A ~ Way ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~  ~ " ~ Goldfinch Finger Points

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~ * ~ It’s a typical Silly day on Maltese Lane When your friend Folly knocks on the bedroom Of your Morning Wood. You say, "Hail, Thee ~ !" Folly says, "Hey ~ ! Let’s go play Ether Patrol." "Nah," you say. "I’m tired of doing the same old sports. Let’s go for a Fun Run instead ~ !" The two of you stretch out your Wings And start to run, When you see your other friend Capsicum approaching. Capsicum is going on a hike, So the two of you decide to join in. When the three of you get to the trail, There are a lot of Four Bears already hiking And having a shimmering time. Suddenly, Folly turns to you and says, "Hey, isn’t that Mum!" …and it is! Mum is stretching and drinking lots of Peppermint Tea Before the hike. You and your friends Approach this fab celebrity very fastly So you can start a conversation. You find out that Mum doesn’t only like hiking, But other solo sports, too ~ ! "Hey," says Mum. "Tonight there’s a Soiree party at Fobby’s, Over in The Disenchanted Forest. You’re invited!" Kewl ~ ! When you and your friends get there, You see other celebrities like Ginger, Who is busy demonstrating Tae Kwon Doe to other guests. Whoa ~ ! There’s Candy, who is bouldering on a large rock In the living room, And 18 Musicians are playing music while sitting in a yoga position ~ ! A scurvy dog and a byrd are sparring in a boxing ring In the garden. What a weird party ~ ! You and your friends have a good time winging And eating lots of cranberry scones. You decide not to eat too much or else You won’t be able to go swimming in Fobby’s huge, Goldfish pool. You’re about to foxtrot into the pool To do some foxy laps When you notice that it’s filled with smashed brains Instead of water ~ ! Whoa ~ ! Finally, it’s time to go home. You turn to Folly and Capsicum, And say, "I’m glad that we decided to try something different today, Instead of Ether Patrol." "No kidding," says Folly. "Surprising things can happen when you try something new ~ !" "Tell me about it," says Capsicum. "How would like to play steeple chaste tomorrow ~ ?" Folly says, "Heck, yeah ~ ! I’d love to, too ~ !" I say, "It’s been a cool, crazy day …wait until everyone at Goldfish School hears about it ~ ! I love you." ~ * ~

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In article <6db2efbb.0e0434e753dcef9aef9227…@asarian-host.net>, pega…@asarian-host.net says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->X-No-Archive: Yes >"gargoyl" <seeking_morph…@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:6QE1f.8348$oc.8142@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net… >> Hi Harvey, for some reason this didn’t post… >> Hi Harvey, >> You know that’s very true. However much I like to avoid people, I have >> spent >> nearly my entire life living with someone, almost invariably a woman >> with >> whom I was involved, though in college I did occasionally have platonic >> house mates. >> I guess even someone as hermetic as myself is at heart a socially >> dependent >> person. I miss just sitting around and watching TV with someone, and to >> me >> that sounds pretty darned pathetic. >> Pity my body is so trashed, otherwise sports might be an option. >> Sometimes I >> really dislike silicon valley, as there really isn’t anything to do for >> someone like myself – I mean I’m just NOT the clubbing type, pub >> crawling is >> out as I no longer consume alcohol (cigarettes go next… then my only >> vice >> will be cafeine, which I really ought to stop as well…), and things >> like >> RPG’s are pretty much a thing of the past. >> Heck, I’m thinking of joining a church… some good quality >> brain-washing >> might do me some good… I’m pretty damned lonely and unhappy as is… >> -phred >You make it sound as though joining a church is a last-ditch attempt! >Church can be a great sanctuary for lonely people to find a niche in a small >community setting.  As for ‘brainwashing’ – what does it generally mean to >you?  And in the context you used it here?  If you’ve visited churches in >the past, has it been your experience that some form of brainwashing has >taken place? >I don’t mean to pick on you, but I think most people have negative >associations with the term brainwashing – so they hear the term and >automatically a little judgement pops up that says "BAD THING" and anything >associated with the term automatically gets tarred by that judgement. >Personally I think people who smoke have been brainwashed.  People who drink >a lot of alcohol are being brainwashed.  Maybe people who drink a lot of >cola have been brainwashed – yet if you suggest that to them, I imagine >people in those categories would probably like to believe they are totally >free to act rationally in any situation they meet and would find it >offensive to be told they’ve been brainwashed.  Little do they know … >However, climbing down off my soapbox, I really wanted to use your post as a >stepping stone to talk about my morning so with apologies… I’ll now take >this off at a tangent. >I went to church this morning and after the service there was a slave >auction in aid of a particular orphanage in Africa, so I offered to provide >an indian head massage.  It felt really strange when I stepped up to the >front to hear "Who would like to buy [my real name]?"  Gulp!  When I offered >my services I had thought someone might be prepared to pay a fiver or >something, so I was amazed and delighted when the bidding climbed closer to >fifty.  I know it is more about people making a donation to a good cause and >anything they get in return is a bonus, but it still felt good.  The whole >auction was a great laugh from start to finish – loadsa fun. >– >For more information about this NNTP posting service, contact: >h…@asarian-host.net — for all info about our server. >If you want an anonymous account, visit our sign-up page: >https://asarian-host.net/cgi-bin/signup.cgi

We all go through some form of brainwashing – it is all around us. Established beliefs and ideas, are a form of brainwashing, as too – it may be argued those which are counter to them. Maybe it could be termed de-brainwashing? In which you let your spirt soar free, to choose which one you prefer – of the trains of thoughts you align yourself with. Maybe when you grew up, you accepted ‘all’ that which you were taught and told? But as you grew older, you had to grow out of certain beliefs – like Santa Claus, fairies and other myths. But we still have myths with us… And with brainwashing … it is ‘normal’ to get married, settle down and raise a family. How many do it – but it is not really what they want to do with their life? And so they fail at it. Harvey

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gargoyl wrote: > Sometimes I feel that is true. I’ve been screwed over pretty viciously by a > couple of my serious ex’s.  I definitely don’t understand what motivated > most of my ex lady companions. Was it money? In the case of my last ex, she > dumped me shortly after I became unemployed, and left owing me some $7000 (a > conservative estimate). Within a tiny amount of time she was in trouble with > creditors and swiftly acquired a new boytoy, probably to move in with and > cover her bills. > So how the heck do you live without one?

I don’t have a choice.

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gargoyl wrote: > Hi again, > For me its been 7+ months and I’m 38 now… have no idea where to > meet women with similar interests (or women in general) now that I’m > in my 30’s. > -phred

I get a little frustrated every now and then because we have different groups of friends and there are always one or two people who are single and looking. So we mentally try to cross-group them (um…) in case there’s any pairing off that can be done, but none of them really seem to suit each other. And even if they can hit it off, how do you set it up that they see the potential in each other? – Michaela — Swami Wotsisname on desire (paraphrased): there’s no taste before the tongue; there’s no taste after the tongue.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Michaela wrote: > gargoyl wrote: >>Hi again, >>For me its been 7+ months and I’m 38 now… have no idea where to >>meet women with similar interests (or women in general) now that I’m >>in my 30’s. >>-phred > I get a little frustrated every now and then because we have different > groups of friends and there are always one or two people who are > single and looking. > So we mentally try to cross-group them (um…) in case there’s any pairing > off that can be done, but none of them really seem to suit each other. And > even if they can hit it off, how do you set it up that they see the > potential in each other? > – Michaela

If it is going to happen it will, you cannot make it happen… particulary when you are not one of the parties involved.

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On  7-Oct-2005, "Helmut R. Zeiss" <musicman1…@yahoo.com> wrote: > Sounds like yours is trying to be a teenager again like mine. > Mine started to drink heavy towards the end also. In fact, she started > going out with one of her ‘drinking buddies’. I really didn’t mind her > smoking it was the fact that she has a pre-cancerous esophogus[spelling] > and I worried about that all the time. She would act like she was 80 years > old then smoke and drink and I am the one who had to take her to the ER > all > the time for 13 years!

Yah, I noticed that she was reverting to behaviors she had when she first left home. She grew up as a ‘good christian’ girl, until she went to college. Then she literally went nuts. Alcohol, sex and drugs came to dominate her life after she moved out. Partying/clubbing were pretty much the only things she did. And she started showing those behaviors again in the last months before she left. At least she doesn’t have the health issues your ex has, just the mental health issues. > > I sympathize. Some days I really desperately want to call and email or > > worse drop by her work and just beg. Truly a depressing feeling. > I just seem to wake up with that feeling some days.

The feelings hit me at random it seems. Sometimes its something obvious, something that reminds me of her, other times, I have no idea what triggers the feelings. > Wow! I had no idea. I always that that SV would be brimming over with > intellectuals. > No fellow geeks around her. Just rednecks and hicks. I like classical, > jazz, punk, folk music, eclectic films, poetry and modern art. I don’t fit > in. X always said that I can be a snob and I am working on that but I > can’t > bring myself to going to one of these "country" bars and drinking beer. I > need some amount of intellectual stimulation in a friendship/realtionship.

I can tolerate the typical ‘male’ interests for a time, but it gets old fast. Like you, I seek people who provide intellectual stimulation. I find it even more important in a female companion. If we can’t talk about things that are mutually interesting, the relationship ends up subsisting on sex. And I’ve done that, it just doesn’t last, no matter how good, frequent etc the sex is. I can’t imagine getting stuck in a ‘hick’ town like you describe… it would drive me nuts. > About once a week. She is living with her mother now but her mail is still > coming to our PO box so I’ve been calling to let her know what came. In a > way the calling has been good for me because now she is with this other > guy > and I know this guy pretty well. He was a mutual friend of ours and I KNOW > that he doesn’t have what it takes to handle all of her "quirks" and > physical problems. She’s even complained to me about little ways that he > hasn’t understood her "special needs". I always feel a bit free after > talking to her. But then I could get up the next day and miss her. It > works > like a switch.

I don’t know if that’s healthy or not. Seems like its an easy way to build hope that the two of you can get back together. I have a lot of problems with that on my side. I do want her back, but intellectually recognize that it would probably be a bad thing for me. If we were talking regularly I think I would be spending way to much time thinking of things/ways to get back together. Maybe that’s not the way you think, could just be me… -phred

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On  8-Oct-2005, <Michaela> wrote: > I get a little frustrated every now and then because we have different > groups of friends and there are always one or two people who are > single and looking. > So we mentally try to cross-group them (um…) in case there’s any pairing > off that can be done, but none of them really seem to suit each other. And > even if they can hit it off, how do you set it up that they see the > potential in each other? > – Michaela

Interesting, in my case, I no longer have a large pool of friends to assist in the process. Kinda sad really. I am one of those guys who is easily compatible with a very wide range of women (and people in general), but have no means to meet or be introduced to women that I might find interesting. As far as ’selling’ the merits of a pairing, that has become oddly difficult in modern society. People do tend to be resistant to being set up, though I’d be happy for the opportunity personally. -phred

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"gargoyl" (seeking_morph…@yahoo.com) writes: > Interesting, in my case, I no longer have a large pool of friends to assist > in the process. Kinda sad really. I am one of those guys who is easily > compatible with a very wide range of women (and people in general), but have > no means to meet or be introduced to women that I might find interesting. As > far as ’selling’ the merits of a pairing, that has become oddly difficult in > modern society. People do tend to be resistant to being set up, though I’d > be happy for the opportunity personally. > -phred

Your comments got me to wodmner about a side of things in a new angle of reflexion. I.e. thinking about how poeple maybe more or less consciously try to find poeple theyc an "complement" (not pay compplIments to but be complementary to). Perhap there are waves that oen sends when they are "adaptable" or "versatile", "f;exible" where that is complementary to many but *maybe* does not offer those who go by the complementary mode themself to asses if they are any match at all? I am not affirming so, I am just throwing this like that, thinking out loud without havign reflected on that at his time…. I.e. maybe some people without it being a conscious process tend to seek for types they feel they coudl be complementary to, wehre if the other is the same, i.e. unconsciously bing a good complementary one, none find the person to graft their "complementary" side to. Argh. Hard to follow my own thoughts when I fight with this very stubborn keyboard, wehe I ahve to hit the keys so hard and slow that I can’t ehar myself nor follow my own thoughts as I try and write them:) Both waiting to meet someoen they could see themself as complimentary to, while none fo the basis to complement is put forth by either. Hm. Lots coudl be said here about the "nice guy" and "good gal" syndrome, for instance. If women are said to be envclined towards bad gys, mybe it is not  out of their being mor datable, but out of perhaps more women being raised to be complementary, where "nice guys" also are good "complements", adaptable and more opened to the other as they are. Where then women also find that nice gys pick "bad girls". Maybe it is out of the same phenomemon of both nice guys and good girls being "complements" vs being the thing to complement if omeoen ssees what I mean… —

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In article <aTf1f.4045$4h2.3…@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, seeking_morph…@yahoo.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Irony of ironies… >I didn’t really have the time or energy to maintain my friendships either, >and frankly, my ex was uncomfortable around my friends and family due to her >personal insecurities. >She too was bi-polar, possibly obsessive-compulsive, with options on a few >other mental health issues. It required a large number of changes on my >part, a lot of acceptance of her quirks, and a lot of patient understanding >to keep things putting along, but I thought she was worth it. >We spent something over five years together, the longest she’s stayed >anywhere, with anyone, since she became an adult. Heck, her longest prior >relationship was in the few months at most category. She was always very >secretive and deceptive (a pity because she lied very poorly – offered to >teach her how to do it properly), and really had/has no idea who she is or >what she wants in life. Its a pity really, at heart she has the potential >(as do we all) to be a truly good person. I think she’s afraid more than >anything, afraid that in trying there will be failures (as there invariably >are) and not being able to cope with the failures. >Sad, but despite everything, and the many months that have passed, I still >miss her. >Like you, I really have no idea where to meet people as friends, much less >find a new romantic partner. I’ve never really gotten along with folks my >age, with a few exceptions. I prefer the company of those younger or older >than myself. And I’m an oddity – computer geek, fond of scifi/fantasy, >discussion/debate – an intellectual wack really. End result is that I don’t >fit in well with most men. I’m not obsessed with sports, cars and T&A. Puts >a damper on conversations with other men. >Thirteen years for you eh? That’s a long time – my two domestic partnerships >only add up to about 12 years. At least the first one ended in a fashion >that I could accept after a time. She and I had really grown in different >directions. >My ‘new’ ex… I wish I understood what happened and why. But to be honest >with myself, even if she and I could sit down for a few weeks of discussion, >I don’t know that I would find an answer. I doubt she really knows why she >did what she did… >Blah. >-phred

Just be who you are – and just do what you like doing. That is the only thing we can do, so that we end up being in like company, among friends. If you do things to please other people – then, you can only blame yourself for not enjoying life and being with people who don’t enjoy your company. Harvey

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In article <6QE1f.8348$oc.8…@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, seeking_morph…@yahoo.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi Harvey, for some reason this didn’t post… >Hi Harvey, >You know that’s very true. However much I like to avoid people, I have >spent >nearly my entire life living with someone, almost invariably a woman >with >whom I was involved, though in college I did occasionally have platonic >house mates. >I guess even someone as hermetic as myself is at heart a socially >dependent >person. I miss just sitting around and watching TV with someone, and to >me >that sounds pretty darned pathetic. >Pity my body is so trashed, otherwise sports might be an option. >Sometimes I >really dislike silicon valley, as there really isn’t anything to do for >someone like myself – I mean I’m just NOT the clubbing type, pub >crawling is >out as I no longer consume alcohol (cigarettes go next… then my only >vice >will be cafeine, which I really ought to stop as well…), and things >like >RPG’s are pretty much a thing of the past. >Heck, I’m thinking of joining a church… some good quality >brain-washing >might do me some good… I’m pretty damned lonely and unhappy as is… >-phred

Hi, I live with my eldest brother, who is a pain to live with, actually. I guess he probably thinks I am too, but I’m somewhat ‘normal’ whereas he’s not. He’s mentally ill, schizophrenic – is dependent on drugs to keep him somewhat normal. Basically he doesn’t function like an adult, and has serious faults with his character. He’s a Jehovah’s Witness – and trying to talk any kind of sense with a JW, it’s better to simply give up, when talking about issues, they think they know. They don’t. Anyway I tend to keep to myself – and I knew a long time ago, I needed something to really lift my spirits and life. That, has been volleyball. I did try out table tennis, but volleyball is way, way better. I did try some other physical things, knowing this should keep me in reasonable shape for later in life. What’s the fun of growing older, if you can’t enjoy yourself? I know the problems of finding suitable ‘company’ to mix with, so that life is not so lonely. I would go to meetings of the type that I agree with, like Spiritualist Church or Theosophical Society like. New Age kind of stuff – because for me, the various Christian churches, etc — just don’t do it for me. ie. I can’t simply sit and accept what they preach and teach, etc. I prefer sitting in a church in silence, than have someone preach, as such, and to listen to it. I’m sure there are groups around – which don’t have church, type leanings. eg. Toastmasters, Lions, Rotary [groups which do charity type work together]. There are all kinds of organisations around. I think the way to fix up the unhappiness is, to find out who you are, and do the kind of things you like to do? Try out all manner of hobbies and activities – there would be groups such as walkers, photographers (who go out as a group to take photos of where they go), chess club, scrabble, – whatever… Or simply imagine what you like to do? To try out? Probably the best time of my life – was 20 something years ago, when I regularly met with ‘friends’ on a Friday evening. It was some kind of computer get together at a friend’s place. This must have happened for about 2 years? 3 at the most… A friend was working on his game, and I was helping out with the graphics design for him, as he was into programming, and I was into graphics. Anyway he would take his game along, work in progress, and show how it was progressing. Usually I would take some new games I received (copies of games) along, and try them out, to see what the others thought of them too? And I would take along any kind of utility or demo that might have relevance to what we were working on. Something that may help with our game? There would only be 4 people there, altogether – the friend, whose place we’ll be using, and another friend, a programmer type, who could be of technical help/advice. Basically it was a mixture of 2 programmers, and 2 non-programmers, just playing some games over 4-5? hours at night. One game took a year to complete, and the other over 3 years – it’s amazing how I’ve forgotten what we really did do? At those meetings, and how long? did they go on for? But enjoyed ourselves we did, and it really was the company, more than anything else – that was enjoyable about it. Harvey

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"gargoyl" <seeking_morph…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:U5F1f.4711$4h2.3036@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well… > On  7-Oct-2005, "Helmut R. Zeiss" <musicman1…@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > She too was bi-polar, possibly obsessive-compulsive, with options >> > on a few other mental health issues. It required a large number of >> > changes on my part, a lot of acceptance of her quirks, and a lot of >> > patient understanding to keep things putting along, but I thought >> > she was worth it. >> Same here. Mine had alot of physical problems also but she refused to >> stop >> smoking! > I think my relationship really started to go to hell when my ex > started partying with younger friends and getting into the passing out > drunk at others houses level. Though she never stopped smoking > (neither did I) we did have a few years when drugs and alcohol weren’t > part of the relationship. Those were pretty good years.

Sounds like yours is trying to be a teenager again like mine. Mine started to drink heavy towards the end also. In fact, she started going out with one of her ‘drinking buddies’. I really didn’t mind her smoking it was the fact that she has a pre-cancerous esophogus[spelling] and I worried about that all the time. She would act like she was 80 years old then smoke and drink and I am the one who had to take her to the ER all the time for 13 years! >> > Sad, but despite everything, and the many months that have passed, >> > I still miss her. >> I’m missing my X right now. I can go for a long time without missing >> her then I’ll have a day like today where I want to call her and beg >> her to come back. > I sympathize. Some days I really desperately want to call and email or > worse drop by her work and just beg. Truly a depressing feeling.

I just seem to wake up with that feeling some days. >> Same here. The only sport I follow is golf. I’m a >> music/computer/electronic/stereo geek. Not my folks like that around >> here[rural area]. Around her it’s about sports/drinking/cars/work in >> that order. > Ugh – weird that I have the same experience with men around here. I > live in silicon valley, you’d think it would be easy to find fellow > geeks.

But no… most of the men around here have the intellectual > capacity of a fruit drink.

Wow! I had no idea. I always that that SV would be brimming over with intellectuals. No fellow geeks around her. Just rednecks and hicks. I like classical, jazz, punk, folk music, eclectic films, poetry and modern art. I don’t fit in. X always said that I can be a snob and I am working on that but I can’t bring myself to going to one of these "country" bars and drinking beer. I need some amount of intellectual stimulation in a friendship/realtionship. >> Do you still communicate with her? > I haven’t talked with her or interacted in several months now. Sooner > or later I need to contact her regarding the money and property > issues, I’m tempted to let a lawyer take care of it, but that would > really kill any possible future (and yes I’m retarded enough to hope > for a future together still – despite the horrid way she treated > me…).

I understand about the future feeling…. > What really sucks is that as far as I know, she still works across the > street at the local grocery store

That does suck! It’s like you know you will run into her at some point. … puts a damper on shopping, and > makes me think about her a lot more than I might otherwise. > You still speaking with your ex?

About once a week. She is living with her mother now but her mail is still coming to our PO box so I’ve been calling to let her know what came. In a way the calling has been good for me because now she is with this other guy and I know this guy pretty well. He was a mutual friend of ours and I KNOW that he doesn’t have what it takes to handle all of her "quirks" and physical problems. She’s even complained to me about little ways that he hasn’t understood her "special needs". I always feel a bit free after talking to her. But then I could get up the next day and miss her. It works like a switch. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> -phred

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Sometimes I feel that is true. I’ve been screwed over pretty viciously by a couple of my serious ex’s.  I definitely don’t understand what motivated most of my ex lady companions. Was it money? In the case of my last ex, she dumped me shortly after I became unemployed, and left owing me some $7000 (a conservative estimate). Within a tiny amount of time she was in trouble with creditors and swiftly acquired a new boytoy, probably to move in with and cover her bills. So how the heck do you live without one? Personally, I do really enjoy the company of a female companion, for a variety of reasons. -phred

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Well… On  7-Oct-2005, "Helmut R. Zeiss" <musicman1…@yahoo.com> wrote: > > She too was bi-polar, possibly obsessive-compulsive, with options on a > > few other mental health issues. It required a large number of changes > > on my part, a lot of acceptance of her quirks, and a lot of patient > > understanding to keep things putting along, but I thought she was > > worth it. > Same here. Mine had alot of physical problems also but she refused to stop > smoking!

I think my relationship really started to go to hell when my ex started partying with younger friends and getting into the passing out drunk at others houses level. Though she never stopped smoking (neither did I) we did have a few years when drugs and alcohol weren’t part of the relationship. Those were pretty good years. > > Sad, but despite everything, and the many months that have passed, I > > still miss her. > I’m missing my X right now. I can go for a long time without missing her > then I’ll have a day like today where I want to call her and beg her to > come back.

I sympathize. Some days I really desperately want to call and email or worse drop by her work and just beg. Truly a depressing feeling. > Same here. The only sport I follow is golf. I’m a > music/computer/electronic/stereo geek. Not my folks like that around > here[rural area]. Around her it’s about sports/drinking/cars/work in that > order.

Ugh – weird that I have the same experience with men around here. I live in silicon valley, you’d think it would be easy to find fellow geeks. But no… most of the men around here have the intellectual capacity of a fruit drink. > Do you still communicate with her?

I haven’t talked with her or interacted in several months now. Sooner or later I need to contact her regarding the money and property issues, I’m tempted to let a lawyer take care of it, but that would really kill any possible future (and yes I’m retarded enough to hope for a future together still – despite the horrid way she treated me…). What really sucks is that as far as I know, she still works across the street at the local grocery store… puts a damper on shopping, and makes me think about her a lot more than I might otherwise. You still speaking with your ex? -phred

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Hi Harvey, for some reason this didn’t post… Hi Harvey, You know that’s very true. However much I like to avoid people, I have spent nearly my entire life living with someone, almost invariably a woman with whom I was involved, though in college I did occasionally have platonic house mates. I guess even someone as hermetic as myself is at heart a socially dependent person. I miss just sitting around and watching TV with someone, and to me that sounds pretty darned pathetic. Pity my body is so trashed, otherwise sports might be an option. Sometimes I really dislike silicon valley, as there really isn’t anything to do for someone like myself – I mean I’m just NOT the clubbing type, pub crawling is out as I no longer consume alcohol (cigarettes go next… then my only vice will be cafeine, which I really ought to stop as well…), and things like RPG’s are pretty much a thing of the past. Heck, I’m thinking of joining a church… some good quality brain-washing might do me some good… I’m pretty damned lonely and unhappy as is… -phred

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"gargoyl" <seeking_morph…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:aTf1f.4045$4h2.3799@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: > Irony of ironies… > I didn’t really have the time or energy to maintain my friendships > either, and frankly, my ex was uncomfortable around my friends and > family due to her personal insecurities. > She too was bi-polar, possibly obsessive-compulsive, with options on a > few other mental health issues. It required a large number of changes > on my part, a lot of acceptance of her quirks, and a lot of patient > understanding to keep things putting along, but I thought she was > worth it.

Same here. Mine had alot of physical problems also but she refused to stop smoking! > We spent something over five years together, the longest she’s stayed > anywhere, with anyone, since she became an adult. Heck, her longest > prior relationship was in the few months at most category. She was > always very secretive and deceptive (a pity because she lied very > poorly – offered to teach her how to do it properly), and really > had/has no idea who she is or what she wants in life. Its a pity > really, at heart she has the potential (as do we all) to be a truly > good person. I think she’s afraid more than anything, afraid that in > trying there will be failures (as there invariably are) and not being > able to cope with the failures.

I hear you, brother! > Sad, but despite everything, and the many months that have passed, I > still miss her.

I’m missing my X right now. I can go for a long time without missing her then I’ll have a day like today where I want to call her and beg her to come back. > Like you, I really have no idea where to meet people as friends, much > less find a new romantic partner. I’ve never really gotten along with > folks my age, with a few exceptions. I prefer the company of those > younger or older than myself. And I’m an oddity – computer geek, fond > of scifi/fantasy, discussion/debate – an intellectual wack really. End > result is that I don’t fit in well with most men. I’m not obsessed > with sports, cars and T&A. Puts a damper on conversations with other > men.

Same here. The only sport I follow is golf. I’m a music/computer/electronic/stereo geek. Not my folks like that around here[rural area]. Around her it’s about sports/drinking/cars/work in that order. > Thirteen years for you eh? That’s a long time – my two domestic > partnerships only add up to about 12 years. At least the first one > ended in a fashion that I could accept after a time. She and I had > really grown in different directions.

My first long realtionship began at 17 and lasted to 20 and it was one of those "young", first realtionships. Then came this 13 year relationship and it hit me like a ton of bricks. Still feels like that on days like this. > My ‘new’ ex… I wish I understood what happened and why. But to be > honest with myself, even if she and I could sit down for a few weeks > of discussion, I don’t know that I would find an answer. I doubt she > really knows why she did what she did…

Do you still communicate with her? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Blah. > -phred

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They are evil whores.

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"gargoyl" <seeking_morph…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:GQ11f.3670$4h2.2619@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: > Hi again, > For me its been 7+ months and I’m 38 now… have no idea where to meet > women with similar interests (or women in general) now that I’m in my > 30’s. > -phred

Same here. I would even like to just meet some friends in my age group but it is very difficult. Guess I shouldn’t have left my old friends slip away but between life and my 13 year relationship there wasn’t much "mental energy" left for anybody else. You mentioned that your X had some psych problems, may I ask what they were? Mine had a bi-polar disorder with bouts of sever depresssion. Then when she would come out of the depression she would be up and ready to SHOP! HZ

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k…@ing.notin.aus (Your Name Here=Harvey) wrote in news:di2lb5$ui$1@lust.ihug.co.nz: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <hWV0f.3281$4h2.2…@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, > seeking_morph…@yahoo.com says… >>Okay, >>I know the arguments, genetics, because that’s how God designed us… >>blah blah blah. But I don’t get it. I’ve been burned really badly on >>two occasions, and hurt many more, but no matter what, I end up >>pursuing a woman again. Why? Being gay seems to much easier, dodging >>all the lame games men and women play whilst pursuing a mate. Yet for >>whatever reason, I don’t go for guys, they don’t do it for me. I like >>women. >>And this time around its really lame. I see characters on TV, or in >>movies, and they remind me of my ex’s little quirks that annoyed most >>people, but that I grew to love, and find cute. >>*&^% I’ve been described as kind, generous, caring, good kisser, good >>in bed blah blah blah – heck, one of the reasons my ex gave for >>wanting to leave was because I was "to good for her". So why do I end >>up single, and pining for a lady companion? >>Argh!!! I still want a lady companion! >>What the (*&^ is wrong with me? >>-phred > I think it’s part of your soul – and most people are like that. > Need love and companionship, especially from the opposite sex. > I play a lot of volleyball, and that’s nice — get to meet people, > interact with them, etc — all without having to say too much, etc. > It’s a lot of non-verbal contact. Anyway it’s lot of fun too, and > keeps you in shape, etc. > Oh, you can talk if you like to, many people do that, as well. > Few people like to be on their own, and can do without company. > Harvey

Where do you play volleyball? I love volleyball but there aren’t any clubs or anything where I live. HZ

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In article <Xns96E786CFA83C6musicman1212yahoo…@130.81.64.196>, musicman1…@yahoo.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->k…@ing.notin.aus (Your Name Here=Harvey) wrote in >news:di2lb5$ui$1@lust.ihug.co.nz: >> In article <hWV0f.3281$4h2.2…@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, >> seeking_morph…@yahoo.com says… >>>Okay, >>>I know the arguments, genetics, because that’s how God designed us… >>>blah blah blah. But I don’t get it. I’ve been burned really badly on >>>two occasions, and hurt many more, but no matter what, I end up >>>pursuing a woman again. Why? Being gay seems to much easier, dodging >>>all the lame games men and women play whilst pursuing a mate. Yet for >>>whatever reason, I don’t go for guys, they don’t do it for me. I like >>>women. >>>And this time around its really lame. I see characters on TV, or in >>>movies, and they remind me of my ex’s little quirks that annoyed most >>>people, but that I grew to love, and find cute. >>>*&^% I’ve been described as kind, generous, caring, good kisser, good >>>in bed blah blah blah – heck, one of the reasons my ex gave for >>>wanting to leave was because I was "to good for her". So why do I end >>>up single, and pining for a lady companion? >>>Argh!!! I still want a lady companion! >>>What the (*&^ is wrong with me? >>>-phred >> I think it’s part of your soul – and most people are like that. >> Need love and companionship, especially from the opposite sex. >> I play a lot of volleyball, and that’s nice — get to meet people, >> interact with them, etc — all without having to say too much, etc. >> It’s a lot of non-verbal contact. Anyway it’s lot of fun too, and >> keeps you in shape, etc. >> Oh, you can talk if you like to, many people do that, as well. >> Few people like to be on their own, and can do without company. >> Harvey >Where do you play volleyball? I love volleyball but there aren’t any clubs >or anything where I live. >HZ

I live in Dunedin, New Zealand, and social volleyball has been going on here for 20+? years. Wish I was playing when it first started, so that I could have had fun much, much earlier. The numbers playing, has dropped significantly over the years, it’s amazing that it was so strong years and years ago, when volleyball isn’t a high profile sport here. If you have no organised volleyball, where you live – you can try starting up your own volleyball group? See where volleyball is played? eg. in High Schools or open-gyms (the University has a multi-purpose gym, that is open for public use too, so a group of us, just go on down there on Wednesday nights, set up the volleyball net – damn awkward when there’s too many basketball players there [it's a small gym, about 3 volleyball courts wide] and some students do join in with us, which is fine, because we don’t number/add up to 2 teams in numbers). What you can do, is just practice some volleyball at some public park? or open area, eg. the beach. Anyone who’s ever played volleyball, knows you need someone to practice with, and the more the merrier. And you may get people interested to learn how to play properly, so just give them some basic pointers about how to play, using what techniques, so eventually you should make your own contacts? And when you have enough for 2 teams, find a suitable place to play, and just pay for the gym usuage – this may be expensive at first, with just 2 teams – but who knows? You may find more and more people/players are interested, once you got a particular night and venue going – it should eventually snowball into a decent volleyball club/group you formed on your own, with the help of whoever else is keen too. I think it’s much more fun than other sports and activities, etc. Beats weight training, aerobics, yoga, etc etc although I haven’t tried these other activities – they just don’t seem to have that ‘fun’ factor that is in volleyball. Play volleyball a lot, and your fitness and stamina goes up and up. No, I haven’t started up my own volleyball club/etc. I have had to start up my own team of players however, because you join as teams in the local social volleyball. I did start up a local computer club so many years ago now – while that club eventually folded, I did make some excellent contacts through it. Harvey

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Irony of ironies… I didn’t really have the time or energy to maintain my friendships either, and frankly, my ex was uncomfortable around my friends and family due to her personal insecurities. She too was bi-polar, possibly obsessive-compulsive, with options on a few other mental health issues. It required a large number of changes on my part, a lot of acceptance of her quirks, and a lot of patient understanding to keep things putting along, but I thought she was worth it. We spent something over five years together, the longest she’s stayed anywhere, with anyone, since she became an adult. Heck, her longest prior relationship was in the few months at most category. She was always very secretive and deceptive (a pity because she lied very poorly – offered to teach her how to do it properly), and really had/has no idea who she is or what she wants in life. Its a pity really, at heart she has the potential (as do we all) to be a truly good person. I think she’s afraid more than anything, afraid that in trying there will be failures (as there invariably are) and not being able to cope with the failures. Sad, but despite everything, and the many months that have passed, I still miss her. Like you, I really have no idea where to meet people as friends, much less find a new romantic partner. I’ve never really gotten along with folks my age, with a few exceptions. I prefer the company of those younger or older than myself. And I’m an oddity – computer geek, fond of scifi/fantasy, discussion/debate – an intellectual wack really. End result is that I don’t fit in well with most men. I’m not obsessed with sports, cars and T&A. Puts a damper on conversations with other men. Thirteen years for you eh? That’s a long time – my two domestic partnerships only add up to about 12 years. At least the first one ended in a fashion that I could accept after a time. She and I had really grown in different directions. My ‘new’ ex… I wish I understood what happened and why. But to be honest with myself, even if she and I could sit down for a few weeks of discussion, I don’t know that I would find an answer. I doubt she really knows why she did what she did… Blah. -phred

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Hi again, For me its been 7+ months and I’m 38 now… have no idea where to meet women with similar interests (or women in general) now that I’m in my 30’s. -phred

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In article <hWV0f.3281$4h2.2…@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, seeking_morph…@yahoo.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Okay, >I know the arguments, genetics, because that’s how God designed us… blah >blah blah. But I don’t get it. I’ve been burned really badly on two >occasions, and hurt many more, but no matter what, I end up pursuing a woman >again. Why? Being gay seems to much easier, dodging all the lame games men >and women play whilst pursuing a mate. Yet for whatever reason, I don’t go >for guys, they don’t do it for me. I like women. >And this time around its really lame. I see characters on TV, or in movies, >and they remind me of my ex’s little quirks that annoyed most people, but >that I grew to love, and find cute. >*&^% I’ve been described as kind, generous, caring, good kisser, good in bed >blah blah blah – heck, one of the reasons my ex gave for wanting to leave >was because I was "to good for her". So why do I end up single, and pining >for a lady companion? >Argh!!! I still want a lady companion! >What the (*&^ is wrong with me? >-phred

I think it’s part of your soul – and most people are like that. Need love and companionship, especially from the opposite sex. I play a lot of volleyball, and that’s nice — get to meet people, interact with them, etc — all without having to say too much, etc. It’s a lot of non-verbal contact. Anyway it’s lot of fun too, and keeps you in shape, etc. Oh, you can talk if you like to, many people do that, as well. Few people like to be on their own, and can do without company. Harvey

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Hi HZ, Actually I’m not trying at all. I have NO idea where to meet women at my age, outside of work, clubs and bars, and frankly I’ve never been a bar hopper (though I did my share of pub crawling when I was younger). As for need – I’ve never really thought of it that way. I don’t know that I NEED a woman, I’m just attracted to them, and much happier when I’m sharing my life with a loved one. This time is kind of odd for me, as I have up most of my friends to concentrate on work, school and my now ex. She was very high maintenance (she had serious psych issues) and I invested a great deal in the relationship, both time and more importantly emotionally. I dunno. -phred

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"gargoyl" <seeking_morph…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:h%Z0f.7360$oc.535@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi HZ, > Actually I’m not trying at all. I have NO idea where to meet women at > my age, outside of work, clubs and bars, and frankly I’ve never been a > bar hopper (though I did my share of pub crawling when I was younger). > As for need – I’ve never really thought of it that way. I don’t know > that I NEED a woman, I’m just attracted to them, and much happier when > I’m sharing my life with a loved one. This time is kind of odd for me, > as I have up most of my friends to concentrate on work, school and my > now ex. She was very high maintenance (she had serious psych issues) > and I invested a great deal in the relationship, both time and more > importantly emotionally. > I dunno. > -phred

Wow, sounds very similiar to my situation: absence of friends, high maintenance X(3 months now) with psych issues. I have been there and I AM there. What is your age? I’m 34. HZ

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> Argh!!! I still want a lady companion! > What the (*&^ is wrong with me? > -phred

Maybe you are trying too hard. Maybe you don’t need a woman as much as you think you do. HZ

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Okay, I know the arguments, genetics, because that’s how God designed us… blah blah blah. But I don’t get it. I’ve been burned really badly on two occasions, and hurt many more, but no matter what, I end up pursuing a woman again. Why? Being gay seems to much easier, dodging all the lame games men and women play whilst pursuing a mate. Yet for whatever reason, I don’t go for guys, they don’t do it for me. I like women. And this time around its really lame. I see characters on TV, or in movies, and they remind me of my ex’s little quirks that annoyed most people, but that I grew to love, and find cute. *&^% I’ve been described as kind, generous, caring, good kisser, good in bed blah blah blah – heck, one of the reasons my ex gave for wanting to leave was because I was "to good for her". So why do I end up single, and pining for a lady companion? Argh!!! I still want a lady companion! What the (*&^ is wrong with me? -phred

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@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: Hi there, I positively know that people in absfg are interested almost with everything except short fat guy! Right or wrong??? Puma

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Hi there, I positively know that people in absfg are interested almost with everything except short fat guy! Right or wrong??? Puma

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Hi DT I am sorry , I did not know that you were a body guard of absfg, or antiyoga agent… With compassion, Puma

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Hi DT I am sorry , I did not know that you were a body guard of absfg, or antiyoga agent… With compassion, Puma

absfg neither has nor needs a bodyguard.  I was just curious why you thought those over here who were interested in alt.yoga wouldn’t just go to alt.yoga to read it. DT http://www.thehungersite.com/

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But why should we in <alt.buddha.short.fat.guy be concerned?    —Messer Xin OMG! Where is (looking about suspiciously) "White Lotus"?

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yes. (I didn’t know that I was posting in that group – I’m only member of alt.yoga) Here, are some links (for those who want to know a little more): (the sites are in portuguese – you may try to translate it with the "language tools" of google) Alian

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Chakras and Kundalini books are related. My favorites are:  – Chakras – Harish Johari – together with the CD (Sounds of the chakras) – enfasis on the work of yantras and the vibration of sound;  – Kundalini Tantra – Satyananda – (Kriya yoga) overall practice of the chakras to awaken kundalini or to identify the problems related with kundalini;  – Kundalini yoga for the west – Swami Sivananda Radha – enfasis on the thougths, watching senses, imagination, …;  – Kundalini – Arousal of the inner energy – Ajit Mookerjee – historical – philosophical point of view. But you can download: http://www.hermetics.org/kundalini.html http://www.skaggs-island.org/humanistic/sannella/ http://gopikrishna.us/books/downloads.html http://www.kheper.net/topics/chakras/chakras.htm Moon

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some links to the sites of the books I ‘ve mentioned: http://www.sanatansociety.com/hinduism_books/hb_chakras.htm http://www.yogavision.net/pubs/med.htm http://www.yasodhara.org/abo_kundalini.ch2

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Does anyone know where I can find (and download) book(s) about chackras? Thanks.

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Does anyone know where I can find (and download) book(s) about chackras? Thanks.

Try googling "chakra" for a start. I’m sure that Amazon has lots of them. –Don http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yogabare

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Does anyone know where I can find (and download) book(s) about chackras? Thanks. Try googling "chakra" for a start. I’m sure that Amazon has lots of them. –Don http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yogabare

Do this meditation once a day for at least a week or so (the longer the better), http://www.rainbowbody.net/HeartMind/ChakraMed.htm You will find out why there are no real books on chakras.  It is more a thing we explore within our selves. — ~Stu

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Can you give me few good titles? I don’t have time to read them all (I’m complete beginner in this) and then to figure out which one is good, and which one is garbage. So, I ask here for help!!!! Thanks.

Niksa, I haven’t read any popular books on the subject for many years. The only one I still have in my library is CHAKRAS, by Harish Johari. You might want to try that one. There is also THE SERPENT POWER by "Arthur Avalon" (Sir John Woodroffe), and there is a lot of information in KUNDALINI The Energy of the Depths, by Lilian Silburn. Can anyone recommend any others? –Don

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You will find out why there are no real books on chakras.  It is more a thing we explore within our selves. — ~Stu Ever heard of S.at-cakra-nirUpaNa? There are plenty of books about chakras, some more real than others, but most are probably as real as you, Stu. –Don http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yogabare My point here is that if you want to learn about the chakras look inside first.  Then go to books to see if they confirm or refute your experience. Stu

That’s actually not a bad approach. We might have a chance for an uncontaminated case, with less intrusion from the power of suggestion. –Don

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You will find out why there are no real books on chakras.  It is more a thing we explore within our selves. — ~Stu Ever heard of S.at-cakra-nirUpaNa? There are plenty of books about chakras, some more real than others, but most are probably as real as you, Stu. –Don http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yogabare

My point here is that if you want to learn about the chakras look inside first.  Then go to books to see if they confirm or refute your experience. Stu

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There are plenty of books about chakras, some more real than others, but most are probably as real as you, Stu.

Can you give me few good titles? I don’t have time to read them all (I’m complete beginner in this) and then to figure out which one is good, and which one is garbage. So, I ask here for help!!!! Thanks.

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You will find out why there are no real books on chakras.  It is more a thing we explore within our selves. — ~Stu

Ever heard of S.at-cakra-nirUpaNa? There are plenty of books about chakras, some more real than others, but most are probably as real as you, Stu. –Don http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yogabare

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Does anyone know where I can find (and download) book(s) about chackras?

Your local library.  To download, walk, bike or drive to your library and then carry the books home. Wade

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Paul The possibilities of what might be causing this are numerous. A great deal more information would be required to even begin to make a guess. Doesn’t sound like any effect yoga might have that I am aware of. Healthy hunger is a remarkably subtle feeling. "Raging" hunger or a feeling of "starving" is often related to the nature of the food we eat. Meat, alcoholic beverages, sugar and refined carbohydrates as well as "allergy" foods can all precipitate these intense "pang" like feelings. Personaly, unless I am in significant distress or jeopardy I would explore some of the possible reasons before I went to a doctor. I have found it more helpful in the long run to take responsibility for my own health before blithely turning that job over to someone whose livelihood is dependent on me being ill. Jared

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My comment still stands… O ^

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if happened mainly in the mornings and you were female, I would say you’re pregnant. Don’t say that, the wife will kill me! ;o) Thanks for the advice mate [-o<

You’re welcome.

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you can get further info  here http://home.zonnet.nl/ammmcd2/ if you type a word, in this case "gastric ulcer" into the search box. all kinds of yoga related topics can be researched here,

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if happened mainly in the mornings and you were female, I would say you’re pregnant.

Don’t say that, the wife will kill me! ;o) Thanks for the advice mate [-o<

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Paul The possibilities of what might be causing this are numerous. A great deal more information would be required to even begin to make a guess. Doesn’t sound like any effect yoga might have that I am aware of. Healthy hunger is a remarkably subtle feeling. "Raging" hunger or a feeling of "starving" is often related to the nature of the food we eat. Meat, alcoholic beverages, sugar and refined carbohydrates as well as "allergy" foods can all precipitate these intense "pang" like feelings. Personaly, unless I am in significant distress or jeopardy I would explore some of the possible reasons before I went to a doctor. I have found it more helpful in the long run to take responsibility for my own health before blithely turning that job over to someone whose livelihood is dependent on me being ill. Jared

I think it might be the anti inflammatory medicine I take occasionally when my back starts to play up. Yoga has sorted it out, but occasionally I lapse :O( Thanks for your thoughts. [-o<      (<<my new Namaste smiley)

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Within a few minutes of eating a large meal I get a feeling of raging hunger. It feels very similar to hunger, my stomach rumbles and feels gassy and empty and I feel a little nauseous.

Nausea after eating is one of the symptoms of ulcer. may or may not be the case but if it happens after you eat, every time, no matter what you are eating, then maybe an idea to see the docs. Do you have any other digestive symptoms that go along with this? constipation? loose stool? dark stool or blood in stool? One of the ashtanga DVDs I have refers to certain poses as "stimulating the digestive fire".

"stimulating the digestive fire" is not the same as stimulating hunger, but refers to increasing the powers of digestion and assimilation, breaking food down and absorbing the nutrients. Is this what is happening here, or should I go to my local docs? If this hunger is the result of asanas stimulating my digestive system, will it resolve itself or should I try altering my practice. Do these symptoms sound like the result of my Yoga practice?

no, the symptoms do not sound like a result of asana practice. unless you are doing something terribly incorrectly, asana practice brings health and vitality to the body. Paul

if happened mainly in the mornings and you were female, I would say you’re pregnant.

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Within a few minutes of eating a large meal I get a feeling of raging hunger. It feels very similar to hunger, my stomach rumbles and feels gassy and empty and I feel a little nauseous. One of the ashtanga DVDs I have refers to certain poses as "stimulating the digestive fire". Is this what is happening here, or should I go to my local docs? If this hunger is the result of asanas stimulating my digestive system, will it resolve itself or should I try altering my practice. Do these symptoms sound like the result of my Yoga practice? Paul

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I don’t think I have mentioned that I am grateful to both Puma and Paul H for the interesting topics they suggest, the controversial questions asked, and the examining of the extremes of opinion. I am grateful. Thanks. S.

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We’re all in sales. Including you.    You’re currently selling me the notion that selling is wrong. Even though you’re not charging me for it…

   It’s just a bit of a laugh. I wouldn’t take seriously.    I admit- I was being controversial.  I wanted to present my ideas in an interesting way.    I read the yoga sutrus tottally different from how you read it- but that’s great!    Everything you say is valid and valuable. Do what ever is loving and works for you. If you have any doubt- ask God.    If you need to find clarity- you’re not going to find it on here or by talking to me- you’re going to have to go to the big man.    There’s a simple solution. If you think its wrong then, "don’t charge".  It’s that simple.    I don’t understand what the problem is. Are you debating whether or not to charge, yourself? Who cares what someone else is doing or thinks?    I mean, I don’t actually know the answer, and to be honest- I don’t actually care.    Without trying to sound like a bible basher- here’s an old saying from Jesus when HE used to go round breaking rules. It went something like this,    "The guidelines are there for you, not you for the guidelines."    People are different- sometimes wrong- but not to worry.    Who cares what I say? Sometimes I actually enjoy talking rubbish.  It’s fun.    I’m really sorry I don’t understand your point of view as well as I should    And without trying to sound like some kind of nutter, here’s a little quote prayer-affirmation by Paramahansa Yogananda, from a book I’m reading at the moment-    If in doubt you can use it-    "Heavenly Father, I will reason, I will will, I will act; but guide Thou my reason, will, and activity to the right thing that I should do."    There you go- problem solved.    God-Bless

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We’re all in sales. Including you.    You’re currently selling me the notion that selling is wrong. Even though you’re not charging me for it… My dear James: Are you serious or just kidding me?  In order to sell a commodity or a service several components require… A) A seller ( Seller gets some sort of collection in return) B) A buyer (Buyer should spend some sort of collection for this) c) A service or commodity… D) Service or commodity should be legal… That is by law its selling is fine… Now what am I selling here my dear? I only say and REPEAT the RULES of SRI PATANJALI that is APARIGRAHA does not let any yogi to get money to teach yoga…This is known by all the real yogies…How much has paid Vivekananda to Rama Khrishna for learning YOGA? So please try to understand my point of view… All I am saying is the words of SRI PATANJALI…there is no selling anything. please first of all lets try to understand each other… If I am not charging you that means it is free. If anything is free then there is not any sale or selling or marketing at all. I just asked and wanted to know at which side are you! Thats all…Do not try to defend your actions or ideas… You are trying to change the framing of my point…I do not charge anybody to teach yoga…And whoever is charging that means he/she does not do RIGHT from the point of SRI PATANJALI…Not by my side… Hope it is very clear now!!! With compassion, Puma    …I know a yoga website that offers free yoga content. It’s totally free. However this yogi person who runs it, he needs money to live.    So he gives away a hard copy of the information on CD to people for an honest donation.    So if you want a copy of the CD that he offers and ADVERTISES on his site, you have to PAY for it. That’s how he earns a living.    So in effect he teaches yoga for FREE but he sells yoga information products.    I went to a hatha yoga class once. It was taught by a swami woman. I was happy to pay to get in. It wasn’t very expensive. If she didn’t charge she wouldn’t have been able to use the hall that it was conducted in.    SELLING has many different connotations- mainly negative. We all hate sales people.    We don’t like being sold. We don’t like being manipulated. We don’t like being harassed by telephone sales people, with products that we’re not interested in.    Selling can be BAD, especially when the products are bad- and a false need is created for the products.    So we think its wrong to sell. The thought of selling seems wrong.    But…    …There is a genuine need for quality products, information and services in our world- regardless of whether or not it is wrong or right to teach yoga for free.    And that’s just the point I was trying to clarify. Selling makes the world go round, and people need you, your information, products and services to help them.    Personally? I don’t teach yoga. I’m not qualified.    So I’m not on either side of your seasaw )    Do you teach yoga?    Kind Regards,    James O’Neill I just wanted to get the opinions of the people here regarding SELLING, CHARGING,COLLECTING MONEY for teaching UNION,or YOGA,or YAMA ,or NIYAMA or these sort of acts… Some of you have stated that they were at the SELLING or CHARGING side,they said it very clearly.  But, very few said that they were at the FREE SIDE ,that is they are against to sell this sort of COMMODITY… But some of you were not clear and they pretend to use the rhetoric.And they abstain to be clear on this COMMERCIAL matter.They said that IT DEPENDS!!! That is they might sell it,if it requires… Thanks for all of you. This gave me the insight of the words and actions…And also insight of the YOGIS or YOGINIS,and the  of SUBSTANTIALITY of understanding of YOGA… With compassion, Puma

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I only say and REPEAT the RULES of SRI PATANJALI that is APARIGRAHA does not let any yogi to get money to teach yoga…This is known by all the real yogies…How much has paid Vivekananda to Rama Khrishna for learning YOGA?

this is a wrong translation and conclusion. that word means "non covetousness".

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We’re all in sales. Including you.    You’re currently selling me the notion that selling is wrong. Even though you’re not charging me for it…

My dear James: Are you serious or just kidding me?  In order to sell a commodity or a service several components require… A) A seller ( Seller gets some sort of collection in return) B) A buyer (Buyer should spend some sort of collection for this) c) A service or commodity… D) Service or commodity should be legal… That is by law its selling is fine… Now what am I selling here my dear? I only say and REPEAT the RULES of SRI PATANJALI that is APARIGRAHA does not let any yogi to get money to teach yoga…This is known by all the real yogies…How much has paid Vivekananda to Rama Khrishna for learning YOGA? So please try to understand my point of view… All I am saying is the words of SRI PATANJALI…there is no selling anything. please first of all lets try to understand each other… If I am not charging you that means it is free. If anything is free then there is not any sale or selling or marketing at all. I just asked and wanted to know at which side are you! Thats all…Do not try to defend your actions or ideas… You are trying to change the framing of my point…I do not charge anybody to teach yoga…And whoever is charging that means he/she does not do RIGHT from the point of SRI PATANJALI…Not by my side… Hope it is very clear now!!! With compassion, Puma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    …I know a yoga website that offers free yoga content. It’s totally free. However this yogi person who runs it, he needs money to live.    So he gives away a hard copy of the information on CD to people for an honest donation.    So if you want a copy of the CD that he offers and ADVERTISES on his site, you have to PAY for it. That’s how he earns a living.    So in effect he teaches yoga for FREE but he sells yoga information products.    I went to a hatha yoga class once. It was taught by a swami woman. I was happy to pay to get in. It wasn’t very expensive. If she didn’t charge she wouldn’t have been able to use the hall that it was conducted in.    SELLING has many different connotations- mainly negative. We all hate sales people.    We don’t like being sold. We don’t like being manipulated. We don’t like being harassed by telephone sales people, with products that we’re not interested in.    Selling can be BAD, especially when the products are bad- and a false need is created for the products.    So we think its wrong to sell. The thought of selling seems wrong.    But…    …There is a genuine need for quality products, information and services in our world- regardless of whether or not it is wrong or right to teach yoga for free.    And that’s just the point I was trying to clarify. Selling makes the world go round, and people need you, your information, products and services to help them.    Personally? I don’t teach yoga. I’m not qualified.    So I’m not on either side of your seasaw )    Do you teach yoga?    Kind Regards,    James O’Neill I just wanted to get the opinions of the people here regarding SELLING, CHARGING,COLLECTING MONEY for teaching UNION,or YOGA,or YAMA ,or NIYAMA or these sort of acts… Some of you have stated that they were at the SELLING or CHARGING side,they said it very clearly.  But, very few said that they were at the FREE SIDE ,that is they are against to sell this sort of COMMODITY… But some of you were not clear and they pretend to use the rhetoric.And they abstain to be clear on this COMMERCIAL matter.They said that IT DEPENDS!!! That is they might sell it,if it requires… Thanks for all of you. This gave me the insight of the words and actions…And also insight of the YOGIS or YOGINIS,and the  of SUBSTANTIALITY of understanding of YOGA… With compassion, Puma

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just wanted to get the opinions of the people here regarding SELLING, CHARGING,COLLECTING MONEY for teaching UNION,or YOGA,or YAMA ,or NIYAMA or these sort of acts… Some of you have stated that they were at the SELLING or CHARGING side,they said it very clearly.  But, very few said that they were at the FREE SIDE ,that is they are against to sell this sort of COMMODITY… But some of you were not clear and they pretend to use the rhetoric.And they abstain to be clear on this COMMERCIAL matter.They said that IT DEPENDS!!! That is they might sell it,if it requires… Thanks for all of you. This gave me the insight of the words and actions…And also insight of the YOGIS or YOGINIS,and the  of SUBSTANTIALITY of understanding of YOGA… With compassion, Puma

In my Opinion, information about Yoga and Hatha Yoga in-particular is just that, information.  i would liken it in many ways to software source code. Information itself wants to be free.  However, there is nothing wrong with selling a service related to that information.  Teachers sell instruction on mathematics, language arts, art technique, etc… every day.  i do not see how teaching Hatha Yoga differs in any substantial way.  

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I wrote a long writting but unfortunately it didnt come out ? Why?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just wanted to get the opinions of the people here regarding SELLING, CHARGING,COLLECTING MONEY for teaching UNION,or YOGA,or YAMA ,or NIYAMA or these sort of acts… Some of you have stated that they were at the SELLING or CHARGING side,they said it very clearly.  But, very few said that they were at the FREE SIDE ,that is they are against to sell this sort of COMMODITY… But some of you were not clear and they pretend to use the rhetoric.And they abstain to be clear on this COMMERCIAL matter.They said that IT DEPENDS!!! That is they might sell it,if it requires… Thanks for all of you. This gave me the insight of the words and actions…And also insight of the YOGIS or YOGINIS,and the  of SUBSTANTIALITY of understanding of YOGA… With compassion, Puma

I’m not unclear. I have said that it is up to each individual. There is no fixed law. It is flexibility and adaption that has made yoga survive for so many thousands of years, not a dogmatic system of petty rules that can’t change as society changes. I believe it can’t be decided by me what other yogis do. I’m not the boss of yoga, and I don’t want to be. I don’t think there should be one. In order to correctly teach asanas, one must know more than just the correct positions, motions, manner of breathing and mental focus. A yoga teacher should also know something about anatomy and different kinds of illness so he can help yoga students who aren’t in top shape to avoid injuries. The best would be if medical doctors were trained to be yoga teachers, I think. Until that happy day arrives, if ever, the best yoga teachers are those with the most experience of teaching yoga. This experience is easy to gather for those who can teach yoga full-time. How can they teach yoga full-time without getting paid for it? In order to do anything full-time, you must either get paid for it, or be independently wealthy (which most of us aren’t). This is why I think it is OK for yoga teachers to get paid. I think it’s even better if someone who knows his yoga finds a way to teach it for free. There are arguments for both sides, so let’s use both ways. The bottom line is that it’s the individual yoga teacher who must decide if he will accept payment or not, according to his own understanding of the principles of yoga. I refuse to be his conscience. S.

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James O’Neill yazdi: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We’re all in sales. Including you.    You’re currently selling me the notion that selling is wrong. Even though you’re not charging me for it…    …I know a yoga website that offers free yoga content. It’s totally free. However this yogi person who runs it, he needs money to live.    So he gives away a hard copy of the information on CD to people for an honest donation.    So if you want a copy of the CD that he offers and ADVERTISES on his site, you have to PAY for it. That’s how he earns a living.    So in effect he teaches yoga for FREE but he sells yoga information products.    I went to a hatha yoga class once. It was taught by a swami woman. I was happy to pay to get in. It wasn’t very expensive. If she didn’t charge she wouldn’t have been able to use the hall that it was conducted in.    SELLING has many different connotations- mainly negative. We all hate sales people.    We don’t like being sold. We don’t like being manipulated. We don’t like being harassed by telephone sales people, with products that we’re not interested in.    Selling can be BAD, especially when the products are bad- and a false need is created for the products.    So we think its wrong to sell. The thought of selling seems wrong.    But…    …There is a genuine need for quality products, information and services in our world- regardless of whether or not it is wrong or right to teach yoga for free.    And that’s just the point I was trying to clarify. Selling makes the world go round, and people need you, your information, products and services to help them.    Personally? I don’t teach yoga. I’m not qualified.    So I’m not on either side of your seasaw )    Do you teach yoga?    Kind Regards,    James O’Neill I just wanted to get the opinions of the people here regarding SELLING, CHARGING,COLLECTING MONEY for teaching UNION,or YOGA,or YAMA ,or NIYAMA or these sort of acts… Some of you have stated that they were at the SELLING or CHARGING side,they said it very clearly.  But, very few said that they were at the FREE SIDE ,that is they are against to sell this sort of COMMODITY… But some of you were not clear and they pretend to use the rhetoric.And they abstain to be clear on this COMMERCIAL matter.They said that IT DEPENDS!!! That is they might sell it,if it requires… Thanks for all of you. This gave me the insight of the words and actions…And also insight of the YOGIS or YOGINIS,and the  of SUBSTANTIALITY of understanding of YOGA… With compassion, Puma

  Here I also want to explain my own opinions about selling and buying…   You can sell objects…Like flowers…like tables…like other things but you can not SELL ANIMALS AND HUMAN BEINGS…Why? cause DID YOU ASK?   How is this   Selling is giving something to someone who needs and take something back in return…But what you give has to be equal of what you ask as a price…   Some economists will tell but there is REQUEST!!!   Ohh it is too easy to create REQUEST isnt it ?   For example people in SOMALI is hungry and why dont we go in create a market there!!!   See sometimes what we create can be a END OF LIFE for others!!!   Like life insurance!!! OHH THERE ARE PLENTY OF THE WAYS TO CONVINCE SOMEONE !!!   What you do is : make this person realize how his life is precious….there are ways isnt it?   And our friend James O’Neill said ‘ You’re currently selling me the notion that selling is wrong. Even though you’re not charging  me for it…’  Well we have to change the word SELLING in this sentence!!! giving me an advice or advicing would be much better…Whenter you listen whenter you do not…how you act is totaly up to you!!!  But this word is also good sometimes…Because it expresses your thoughts from someelses mouth even if this person does not use SEELING!!!Your SELLING mentality makes it real…  I think I know which side I m…I hate people who he she built her his life on SELLING – BUYING  Cause this kind of way of THINKING kills HUMANITY!  Think about it…

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   I send a writting but it didnt come out…Why ?    :) ohh may be I shall wait ? James O’Neill yazdi: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We’re all in sales. Including you.    You’re currently selling me the notion that selling is wrong. Even though you’re not charging me for it…    …I know a yoga website that offers free yoga content. It’s totally free. However this yogi person who runs it, he needs money to live.    So he gives away a hard copy of the information on CD to people for an honest donation.    So if you want a copy of the CD that he offers and ADVERTISES on his site, you have to PAY for it. That’s how he earns a living.    So in effect he teaches yoga for FREE but he sells yoga information products.    I went to a hatha yoga class once. It was taught by a swami woman. I was happy to pay to get in. It wasn’t very expensive. If she didn’t charge she wouldn’t have been able to use the hall that it was conducted in.    SELLING has many different connotations- mainly negative. We all hate sales people.    We don’t like being sold. We don’t like being manipulated. We don’t like being harassed by telephone sales people, with products that we’re not interested in.    Selling can be BAD, especially when the products are bad- and a false need is created for the products.    So we think its wrong to sell. The thought of selling seems wrong.    But…    …There is a genuine need for quality products, information and services in our world- regardless of whether or not it is wrong or right to teach yoga for free.    And that’s just the point I was trying to clarify. Selling makes the world go round, and people need you, your information, products and services to help them.    Personally? I don’t teach yoga. I’m not qualified.    So I’m not on either side of your seasaw )    Do you teach yoga?    Kind Regards,    James O’Neill I just wanted to get the opinions of the people here regarding SELLING, CHARGING,COLLECTING MONEY for teaching UNION,or YOGA,or YAMA ,or NIYAMA or these sort of acts… Some of you have stated that they were at the SELLING or CHARGING side,they said it very clearly.  But, very few said that they were at the FREE SIDE ,that is they are against to sell this sort of COMMODITY… But some of you were not clear and they pretend to use the rhetoric.And they abstain to be clear on this COMMERCIAL matter.They said that IT DEPENDS!!! That is they might sell it,if it requires… Thanks for all of you. This gave me the insight of the words and actions…And also insight of the YOGIS or YOGINIS,and the  of SUBSTANTIALITY of understanding of YOGA… With compassion, Puma

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   We’re all in sales. Including you.    You’re currently selling me the notion that selling is wrong. Even though you’re not charging me for it…    …I know a yoga website that offers free yoga content. It’s totally free. However this yogi person who runs it, he needs money to live.    So he gives away a hard copy of the information on CD to people for an honest donation.    So if you want a copy of the CD that he offers and ADVERTISES on his site, you have to PAY for it. That’s how he earns a living.    So in effect he teaches yoga for FREE but he sells yoga information products.    I went to a hatha yoga class once. It was taught by a swami woman. I was happy to pay to get in. It wasn’t very expensive. If she didn’t charge she wouldn’t have been able to use the hall that it was conducted in.    SELLING has many different connotations- mainly negative. We all hate sales people.    We don’t like being sold. We don’t like being manipulated. We don’t like being harassed by telephone sales people, with products that we’re not interested in.    Selling can be BAD, especially when the products are bad- and a false need is created for the products.    So we think its wrong to sell. The thought of selling seems wrong.    But…    …There is a genuine need for quality products, information and services in our world- regardless of whether or not it is wrong or right to teach yoga for free.    And that’s just the point I was trying to clarify. Selling makes the world go round, and people need you, your information, products and services to help them.    Personally? I don’t teach yoga. I’m not qualified.    So I’m not on either side of your seasaw )    Do you teach yoga?    Kind Regards,    James O’Neill

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I just wanted to get the opinions of the people here regarding SELLING, CHARGING,COLLECTING MONEY for teaching UNION,or YOGA,or YAMA ,or NIYAMA or these sort of acts… Some of you have stated that they were at the SELLING or CHARGING side,they said it very clearly.  But, very few said that they were at the FREE SIDE ,that is they are against to sell this sort of COMMODITY… But some of you were not clear and they pretend to use the rhetoric.And they abstain to be clear on this COMMERCIAL matter.They said that IT DEPENDS!!! That is they might sell it,if it requires… Thanks for all of you. This gave me the insight of the words and actions…And also insight of the YOGIS or YOGINIS,and the  of SUBSTANTIALITY of understanding of YOGA… With compassion, Puma

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I know in sahaja yoga it is very important that you forgive people but I am having a hard time forgiving all those who hurt me when I was a young child. How can I find the strength to forgive them? — lintu This message originated from http://www.yoga-meditation.org

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Welcome to alt.yoga, I know in sahaja yoga it is very important that you forgive people but I 
am having a hard time forgiving all those who hurt me when I was a young child. 
How can I find the strength to forgive them

Forgiving others in not possible because we have no control over them in any way. So we can

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IMO, Looks like a pretty exercise promoting outfit. State of the art, web and "association building" marketing model. Very female energy. Ask a question to Dr Hatha Yoga or Dr. Meditation? Oh, please… Don’t think it will pass muster with Puma Jared

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Thanks, I am  looking for opinions.

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Does anybody have any experience with this association or opinions?

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Wow! Your story is really inspiring! That’s Great!

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Hi all, I just read about a recent study that compared the weights of people between the age of 45 and 55 who practice yoga regularly and those who don’t.  

It occurs that the relaxation effected by Yoga would reduce "nervice tension" type of eating and send endorphins to the brain. — Diva ***** The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

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Hi all, I just read about a recent study that compared the weights of people between the age of 45 and 55 who practice yoga regularly and those who don’t.  The study showed during those 10 mid0life years when people usually gain weight, the ones who did yoga lost an average of 5 pounds and the one who didn’t gained an average of 15! According to the study, it’s not so much the act of yoga that causes people to lose/maintain their weight, it’s more the state of mind that yoga puts people in. Yoga makes people mindful of their bodies and being good to themselves which prevents them from eating an unhealthy diet and gaining weight. I found that rather interesting. Any thoughts? http://health.dailynewscentral.com/content/view/0001436/31//regular_y… -Jason

Last yoga class I ever took, I had a very good elderly female instructor–this was before beginners’ classes trendily all but disappeared off the face of this earth … I even remember I weighed over 200 at the time.  She was not the first exercise instructor to suggest I go on a diet.  She was the last.  Ever. I do my own yoga practice.  Yoga teachers, like horses, smell fear … I found out the hard way that you can’t move in a limber fashion (this is, btw, even without pushing yourself beyond your flexibility limits) without dropping the flab off the midsection. Midlife with yoga rocks! (Even if you LIKE taking classes) Tina 220ish/140 Not yet 2 years maintaining

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Hi all, I just read about a recent study that compared the weights of people between the age of 45 and 55 who practice yoga regularly and those who don’t.  The study showed during those 10 mid0life years when people usually gain weight, the ones who did yoga lost an average of 5 pounds and the one who didn’t gained an average of 15! According to the study, it’s not so much the act of yoga that causes people to lose/maintain their weight, it’s more the state of mind that yoga puts people in. Yoga makes people mindful of their bodies and being good to themselves which prevents them from eating an unhealthy diet and gaining weight. I found that rather interesting. Any thoughts? http://health.dailynewscentral.com/content/view/0001436/31//regular_y… -Jason

My yoga practice was one of the main factors in motivating me to lose weight for just those reasons.  It’s probably why I’ve been successful in not regaining all of it back (and then some) as I had always done in the past. — the volleyballchick

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Hi all, I just read about a recent study that compared the weights of people between the age of 45 and 55 who practice yoga regularly and those who don’t.  The study showed during those 10 mid0life years when people usually gain weight, the ones who did yoga lost an average of 5 pounds and the one who didn’t gained an average of 15! According to the study, it’s not so much the act of yoga that causes people to lose/maintain their weight, it’s more the state of mind that yoga puts people in. Yoga makes people mindful of their bodies and being good to themselves which prevents them from eating an unhealthy diet and gaining weight. I found that rather interesting. Any thoughts? http://health.dailynewscentral.com/content/view/0001436/31//regular_y… -Jason

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Thanks to everyone who replied, very helpful info, I have been googling away.. :O)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been practicing yoga  for around 2.5 months. I have noticed greatly improved flexibility in my hamstrings, calves, back, etc.. but my hips are a rigid as ever. For example, I lie on my back and bring my knees up, keeping  my feet flat on the floor, I then put my left foot on my right upper thigh, I then bring my right thigh toward my chest and grab my right knee and pull the right knee further toward my chest. I can only pull my right knee in very slightly because it becomes very uncomfortable in my left hip socket and groin (same on the right if the pose is reversed). So why are these joints/tendons/muscles/whatever being so stubborn when the rest of my body has become so much stronger and more flexible? Is there any poses I can practice that will loosen this area? Paul Only 2.5 months is not very long.. keep it up. The reason why those tendons and muscles are so very stubborn is simply that they are very strong, and will resist unusual moves stronger than weaker muscles and tendons. In time, they too, will become more elastic. Try doing it with a feeling of relaxation and patience. Don’t try so hard that you hurt yourself. S.

The hips are made up of many muscles working in many different directions.  Take a look at an anatomy book.  The femur has a big ball on the end of it held in place by a mass of muscles allowing it to rotate in nearly every direction.  This joint is very different than smaller joints in the body like the elbow or knee that has limited movement.  Every time we sit western style we are shortening up the gluteus and piriformis muscles by crushing these muscles against a chair.  I have found in my own practice that stretching everyday may only be enough to maintain flexibility until the next long car trip.   Very often those with back conditions over-compensate and cause structure misalignment in the piriformis muscle. There are two kinds of pain.  One kind is the sharp jabbing kind that we get when we damage something. This kind of pain does not go away after the damage.  An example of this is when we twist the knees and pull a ligament.  The other kind of pain is "uncomfortability", which is really just sensation.   When you are pulling the knee up and feel uncomfortable, most likely that uncomfortability goes away when you release the stretch.  I would not worry about it, and try to hold the stretch through the sensation.  It is very difficult to cause any damage in the hip socket as long as you keep your hips aligned to the back bone.  You can protect the knees by keeping them bent at 90 degrees. There are many great sequences for opening the hips. I just googled "hip opener yoga" and came up with thousands of pages.   Ask your yoga teacher to do a hip opener class. — ~Stu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been practicing yoga  for around 2.5 months. I have noticed greatly improved flexibility in my hamstrings, calves, back, etc.. but my hips are a rigid as ever. For example, I lie on my back and bring my knees up, keeping  my feet flat on the floor, I then put my left foot on my right upper thigh, I then bring my right thigh toward my chest and grab my right knee and pull the right knee further toward my chest. I can only pull my right knee in very slightly because it becomes very uncomfortable in my left hip socket and groin (same on the right if the pose is reversed). So why are these joints/tendons/muscles/whatever being so stubborn when the rest of my body has become so much stronger and more flexible? Is there any poses I can practice that will loosen this area? Paul

Only 2.5 months is not very long.. keep it up. The reason why those tendons and muscles are so very stubborn is simply that they are very strong, and will resist unusual moves stronger than weaker muscles and tendons. In time, they too, will become more elastic. Try doing it with a feeling of relaxation and patience. Don’t try so hard that you hurt yourself. S.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been practicing yoga  for around 2.5 months. I have noticed greatly improved flexibility in my hamstrings, calves, back, etc.. but my hips are a rigid as ever. For example, I lie on my back and bring my knees up, keeping  my feet flat on the floor, I then put my left foot on my right upper thigh, I then bring my right thigh toward my chest and grab my right knee and pull the right knee further toward my chest. I can only pull my right knee in very slightly because it becomes very uncomfortable in my left hip socket and groin (same on the right if the pose is reversed). So why are these joints/tendons/muscles/whatever being so stubborn when the rest of my body has become so much stronger and more flexible? Is there any poses I can practice that will loosen this area?

Hi Paul, A lot of people find this part of the body hard to open up. The posture usually recommended is "The Butterfly" (baddha koNa:sana). You did not mention your age or existing health conditions. You might have arthritis in your hip joints, for example. Unusual discomfort in the groin area could indicate an inguinal hernia. You might want to have a thorough medical checkup, if it’s been a long time since you’ve had one. Generally speaking, pain means that your body is trying to tell you something, and you should listen to it. The general rule in hatha yoga is that you "touch" the pain, but don’t "go into" the pain. Respect your body’s limits, and don’t expect to achieve a full range of movement overnight. It sounds like you are making progress–what’s the hurry? –Don http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yogabare

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I have been practicing yoga  for around 2.5 months. I have noticed greatly improved flexibility in my hamstrings, calves, back, etc.. but my hips are a rigid as ever. For example, I lie on my back and bring my knees up, keeping  my feet flat on the floor, I then put my left foot on my right upper thigh, I then bring my right thigh toward my chest and grab my right knee and pull the right knee further toward my chest. I can only pull my right knee in very slightly because it becomes very uncomfortable in my left hip socket and groin (same on the right if the pose is reversed). So why are these joints/tendons/muscles/whatever being so stubborn when the rest of my body has become so much stronger and more flexible? Is there any poses I can practice that will loosen this area? Paul

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