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I’m not sure where you have gotten this "knowledge" from but Shri Mataji has never said any of these things. Maybe you are thinking of some of other guru calling herself Mataji as there are others.

I have seen her in the hotel conferans room… Firstly Kundalini does go through the spine. If you would take the time to experience you would see for yourself. There’s no use for me to get into technical details, because i am no scientist to prove this(even evidence of Sahaja Yoga has been proved in medical journals). But i can say from my own experience i have felt pulses physically through my spine and also coolness around the area of my spine where kundalini travels through.

Any body claims that KUNDALINI moves thru the spine,this clearly shows that she/he does not know about KUNDALINI// You should give the names of the MEDICAL JOURNALS their numbers,years and pages… What you experience is not KUNDALINI it is the hipnotised mind of yourself by Mataji.. I have seen many people like yourselve,they allsay the samething but KUNDALINI RISE is not what you think…IT is within the SUSHUMNA NADI,IDA and PINGALA nadis are within the PRANAMAYA COSHA,that is within PRANIC BODY…NOT in the physical body… Second Shri  Mataji doesn’t pronounce herself as a healer..many people have been cured from just being around her and people are cured by their Kundalini being awakended. It just happened. You must have assumed she said this. As for being a wheel chair..just because a person uses a wheel chair how does this prove that someone can’t heal another person? Again you have some expectation how things should be. Doesn’t prove anything.

If aperson is ill he/she first will attempt to heal herself/himself first…Not the others… Third you have assumed that there is some structure for how yoga should be and how it is supposed to be..which has never existed. If someone is born realised, they are born realised. If you don’t want to try to see without judgements who this person is then you must have some agenda to try to distort reality in how you would like to believe.

YOGA is the name of an act that a LINEAGE of GURUS required…. That is for insatnce I can not claim that thaere is an ZUMA YOGA as zuma may be the name of a person as in the case ofMATAJI, but if he/she does not have any previous guru,its yoga is a false one… Fourth she has said kundalini is in both the sushumna nadi and spine as they are linked up.

Spine is an ANOTOMIC reality but sushumna is not.. How these two completely different things will be related to each other!!!! Also how do you think you know how the kundalini is in that part and acts in this way? I cant honestly say i don’t know the full details for it.

If you do not know it, please do not talk on it!!!!! I can only say i experience it every day and know it’s awakened and working within me as i feel it.

What is working within your mind is MAtajis` spell,that is it nothing else…  If you are saying i read it from this book or this source has said it..how do you know for yourself?

 I am applying Hatha Yoga for more than 20 years..So please let me know a bit about it… Fifth Shri Mataji has given people by the thousands all at once the experience of Self Realisation.

If Mataji really knew what self realisation waa she would not attemp to cheat poor people…  This has been verified by the people who tried it. It was not difficult and completely effortless.

They are all under Matajis` spell that is she has put them under the hypnotised state,including you… I would like to ask you how you know what enlightenment is? What are your experiences? What do you think enlightenment is and how would you be able to tell who is enlightened and who is not?

get it?? I would advise you  before you start judging people and things,  you should reach the state of depth you condemn other people not to have to see for yourself what is the truth.

Before advising me on KUNDALINI and on Enlightenment or on Matajis` actions, you should study all these by yourself without being under the effect of others…. With compassion, Puma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sincerely Jason

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No one knows exactly what kundalini is, not even the "great masters." People know how it feels, but not what it is objectively and exactly. The Eastern religions and traditions are not science.  They are based on intuition and feeling, not objective testing, which is not enough to prove such a complex issue.   I now suspect kundalini may be mainly a brain phenomena. —— see below—– My unproven theory about the hara      My totally unproven theory is that the hara is a nerve bundle located within the brain, not inside the belly.  A corresponding area exists in the belly, possibly part of the enteric nervous system, but the hara that we feel is actually a bundle of cells located inside the human brain.  We all feel our bodies indirectly through the brain, which forms an analog image of our physical body via a complex patterns of nerve cells located within the brain.  When you stub your toe you do not feel your injured toe directly.  What you actually feel is the neural analog image of your toe sending your consciousness intense signals of pain.  Thus, if you sever the neural lines of communication between your toe and your brain by cutting your spinal cord you will feel no pain at all, not even if your toe is completely crushed. Amputees who have a leg cut off often feel a "phantom leg," which is just the neural analog image of their physical leg still active and sending out signals within the brain.  We all live in our brains and the brain is all we really know of our personal self and the universe.      When you concentrate on the hara point it is like going to the basement of your brain, the most fundamental level of the brain’s consciousness where all the major switches are located.  You can run around your house turning off lights one by one, or you can go to the basement and just turn off the main circuit breaker with far less effort.  In the same way, by resting in the hara center you can more easily turn off thoughts.  Speaking more accurately, you can ignore thoughts altogether, like a flock of noisy birds flying overhead. Going to the hara center slows down the thought process and can even bring it to an absolute halt.      J. Krishnamurti’s method was to observe thoughts and by doing so increase awareness.  The more you use awareness the stronger it grows in the same way your muscles grow with the stimulation of exercise.  My own preferred method is to drop the thinking process directly and immediately by going to the hara center and simply relaxing there. When centered in the hara cosmic consciousness comes easily and naturally.      Subjectively, my own hara feels like a magnet for cosmic energy. I get the sensation of being filled up with the universe as an ocean flowing into a quiet pool of water.  The distractions of the ordinary tasks of living draw me away from the hara center and up from the depths of meditation into the pragmatic thinking centers of the brain. Thus, I am still just student of meditation who needs to spend time every day in formal meditation sessions to keep myself centered in that sensuous and quiet center of the hara.      The sensation of going to the hara center is one of falling into a warm and friendly space which is somehow associated with the belly. The hara’s association with the belly may be due to the fact that gaining nourishment is the most essential task of survival and our brains and consciousness evolved from less complicated forms of life that were almost entirely food oriented.  What better place to locate the fundamental control center of consciousness than at the belly’s analog image point located within the brain.      If you shift your personal center of gravity from the thinking center down to the hara center of the brain, you will feel a pleasing orgasmic sensation in the hara and a refreshing wind like energy that rises upward.  When you move your attention to the hara, the thinking centers slow down and the brain saves the chemical energy it must expend to create new thoughts.  The more chemical energy the brain stores up in the form of neurotransmitters, the higher and more blissful the meditator feels. ——- This discussion of the hara is part of "Meditation Handbook" at: http://home.att.net/~meditation/MeditationHandbook.html Christopher Calder

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Grin, First we have a round slightly tilted good sized thin blue disc (thin) as the/a beginning susuhunama, (inside skull eyelevel-ish). This upon looking down dropping the chin exhaling and shock results in finding oneself IMMEDIATELY at the bottom left front in front of the spine (also earths core). We basicly splt 2D via dropping across the center of the susuhunama or a 2D plane a thin flat obgect became 3D gaining length. The distance best seen as color the disc blue the area below it the mulahara red/orange so going from blue as a prism blue to the lower red via 2D then comming out 3D (D= dimension). Next the upward lifting FORCE ,(comes from field now opened) or kundalini has the distance now created from before to travel upward in yet thats from point susuhunama to point mulahara…….being far to short to re-enter the skull thru the hole of shiva  along the saraswati going up the now in existence brahma nadi. Hence that saying kundalini lays coiled 3 times at the base of the spine. 1 is down 2 is up, (now twice as much) then 3 it "jumps" like a snake using its doubled length or volume (planes volumes forces lengths particles distance)…….kundalini is clear invisible yet as it goes from 2D to 3D it will also go from 3D to 4D as in the WHISTLING MUSICAL SARASWATI/grin. halo/nimbus then a thunderbolt then is caught via the left foot results in an egg then leaves the top of the head again the same ever changing creation from the thin blue disc (virgin ma-ri/y for the fundamentalists) . Then as the concentric system turns magnetic north the two figures sparkley and smokey (cautes & cautopathes) and still going the year after year after samadhi the immediate present opens above the head as i call three above the head the new point results then nirvana or diamond body and finally a few months  later merging or 12 thirteen yeas gone. Except i use cyclic time a days a year then jan again creeps up on feb as its feb brightest hour mywork as augustus feburarious. So kundalini can re-assimulate (as a tree ring to itself). (fields forces evolution of such or incarnations/resurections of a merged personality as the personality is easily saved in samadhi later same math same celestial events again it goes if alls to be good). This little adventure was the double dec 24th eclipses of year 1954 and y2k that dec 24th eclipse or two with 1 lifetime (reproduction features ) creating a larger newer celestiial pattern unlike often just one eclipse year (the demigods refer too).   The readers should realize that my extensive library was sold for  8k dollars or its cost and insurance not near its real maket value, Therefore my writing is very few and far between as no reference material in case needed ( imentioned it was going before and things were ending). Soon i hope to sell my two holdings in real estate travel again some (200k and 52K asking in cash). I bought 10 acres exactly next to a college in case i wished to become a Dr or learn writing …..so i could subdivide build sell 1 of 4 custom homes at 500K- 650k  take that go to school but medicine makes me constantly disgusted hence i find it hard to follow thru. Lucky find one day. UPWARD LIFTING FORCE or kundalini has a great amount of UPWARD LIFTNG as in 3 above the head its poking right out thru present time reality into all thats been manifest later captures nirvana all from that thin blue disc that first distance in dimensions once uncoiled it finally merges the field closes a little more complex as now having some of the unmanifested manifested. The nimbus/halo/samadhi only a moment in the bright hour of a Feb day the rest predictable also cut nicely along the days hours and years to the moon/sun as precise as a stone cutters work.. Note: The solistice is has nothing to do with christianity except they keep trying century over century to bind it to thier ideas but isnt otherwise found there-in the story. I dont find it flattering. Yet the work of augutus and feburarious in rome with thier debate on the roman calendar i do find revealing for without that it was a worthless calendar. Smile , J (english Glyph for kundalini is J/j one with . for nimbus one stops at saraswati only one way not two of course)

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Firstly Kundalini does go through the spine.

It doesn’t. There are cool and warm currents all over the body (in the soul). When we keep our attention anywhere at our body, we become aware of the cool breeze there (if one looks more carefully one can find the warm currents too). When the attention is kept in the brain, it is felt there, and that’s where the Kundalini meditation is working. If you would take the time to experience you would see for yourself.

Not everyone’s Kundalini gets awakened, and many won’t feel it at all even when they get it; just the loads on the fingers if even that. There’s no use for me to get into technical details, because i am no scientist to prove this(even evidence of Sahaja Yoga has been proved in medical journals). But i can say from my own experience i have felt pulses physically through my spine and also coolness around the area of my spine where kundalini travels through.

I have never felt any pulses on the spine. Second Shri  Mataji doesn’t pronounce herself as a healer..many people have been cured from just being around her and people are cured by their Kundalini being awakended

People don’t get healed by being around her, period. The Kundalini does not cure either, it just gives the stronger middle channel, that then helps one to get better, and one can use the Kundalini to balance oneself, but all curing is about as normal as with anyone else who takes care of his balance. The Kundalini and the middle channel are just something extra. It just happened. You must have assumed she said this. As for being a wheel chair..just because a person uses a wheel chair how does this prove that someone can’t heal another person? Again you have some expectation how things should be. Doesn’t prove anything.

She is as human as anyone else. No one who is in human body is nothing but human. She just has the awakened Kundalini like all so many other people, that’s all. Third you have assumed that there is some structure for how yoga should be and how it is supposed to be..which has never existed. If someone is born realised, they are born realised.

That’s just being in meditation as a witness; that’s called realization, while you just mean the Kundalini awakening, that’s not realization though in meditation one will so be, using the Kundalini for it this time. If you don’t want to try to see without judgements who this person is then you must have some agenda to try to distort reality in how you would like to believe.

You too, as I explaned. Fourth she has said kundalini is in both the sushumna nadi and spine as they are linked up. Also how do you think you know how the kundalini is in that part and acts in this way? I cant honestly say i don’t know the full details for it.

It’s just what you see and experience, nothing else. You are some rare case that has some spine problems or something, no it’s not related. I can only say i experience it every day and know it’s awakened and working within me as i feel it. If you are saying i read it from this book or this source has said it..how do you know for yourself?

What you feel is true, but the book is something you need to get rid of and see for yourself. Fifth Shri Mataji has given people by the thousands all at once the experience of Self Realisation. This has been verified by the people who tried it. It was not difficult and completely effortless. I would like to ask you how you know what enlightenment is? What are your experiences? What do you think enlightenment is and how would you be able to tell who is enlightened and who is not?

One who has the cosmic awareness is called the enlightened one, while then there was that meditation realization about being a witness of the mind, and then there’s the Kundalini awakening that gives birth to a stronger middle channel and the nervous system gets so called enlightened that results for one to feel any load or problems on the chakras, that are realted to different parts of the body and its meridians as well. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would advise you  before you start judging people and things,  you should reach the state of depth you condemn other people not to have to see for yourself what is the truth. Sincerely Jason

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I’m not sure where you have gotten this "knowledge" from but Shri Mataji has never said any of these things. Maybe you are thinking of some of other guru calling herself Mataji as there are others. Firstly Kundalini does go through the spine. If you would take the time to experience you would see for yourself. There’s no use for me to get into technical details, because i am no scientist to prove this(even evidence of Sahaja Yoga has been proved in medical journals). But i can say from my own experience i have felt pulses physically through my spine and also coolness around the area of my spine where kundalini travels through. Second Shri  Mataji doesn’t pronounce herself as a healer..many people have been cured from just being around her and people are cured by their Kundalini being awakended. It just happened. You must have assumed she said this. As for being a wheel chair..just because a person uses a wheel chair how does this prove that someone can’t heal another person? Again you have some expectation how things should be. Doesn’t prove anything. Third you have assumed that there is some structure for how yoga should be and how it is supposed to be..which has never existed. If someone is born realised, they are born realised. If you don’t want to try to see without judgements who this person is then you must have some agenda to try to distort reality in how you would like to believe. Fourth she has said kundalini is in both the sushumna nadi and spine as they are linked up. Also how do you think you know how the kundalini is in that part and acts in this way? I cant honestly say i don’t know the full details for it. I can only say i experience it every day and know it’s awakened and working within me as i feel it. If you are saying i read it from this book or this source has said it..how do you know for yourself? Fifth Shri Mataji has given people by the thousands all at once the experience of Self Realisation. This has been verified by the people who tried it. It was not difficult and completely effortless. I would like to ask you how you know what enlightenment is? What are your experiences? What do you think enlightenment is and how would you be able to tell who is enlightened and who is not? I would advise you  before you start judging people and things,  you should reach the state of depth you condemn other people not to have to see for yourself what is the truth. Sincerely Jason

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Ooops, Sorry but sahaja is not a yoga at all. It is a fake occupation…It can easily be seen from your explanation that KUNDALINI has no place through the SPINE. As this SHAKTI definitely acts within SUSUMNA NADI,which is not  a physical channel… Mataji is cheating ,saying that she heals the ill people…Actually she herself needs a healer,as she is within the wheel chair, because she is lying… Any act to be called  YOGA, it requires its order of GURUS. Mataji has no previous GURUS… She herself says that she is the one who invented this false act. Mataji has no info regarding KUNDALINI at all. As a proof she even does not know that KUNDALINI is within SUSUMNA NADI …She thinks kundalini through SPINE..KUNDALINI IS WITHIN PRANIC BODY. NOT IN PHYSICAL BODY… And Mataji  also  says that she can deliver ENLIGHTENMENT to people just like giving any solid object…She even do not know what enlightenment is… Please be informed that,any sharlatan can not satisfy the people who are after the TRUTH! With compassion, Puma

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 I invite you all to try Sahaja Yoga. It is a meditation taught with the purpose of experiencing Self-Realization. In this process the Kundalini of the person is raised through the spine and pierces the top of the head. One can feel this tangibly as a cool breez above the head and on the hands. Also the person reaches a state of thoughtless awareness. This practice has been replicated by thousands in over 80 countries around the world started by the founder Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi. All it requires is a few minutes, an open mind, and a desire to have this awakening. Come try this short excercise at our web site to see the potential within you. http://www.sahajayoga.org/experienceitnow/default.asp

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